Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about how
people rate them. SilentDoug has a great rating system on his
website (http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/key.php) based on the
rating system used by Geocachers. I think its smart for letterboxers
to adopt a standard rating system.
My questions though ... because this was developed for Geocaching,
consideration regarding the difficulty of clues isn't considered.
Should we consider the "difficulty" rating (which talks more about
how the hard the box is to find) to include clues, or have a third
rating for the obscurity of clues?
Question about ratings
29 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-06-14
Question about ratings
From: cpascott8 (cpascott8@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-14 17:55:40 UTC
Re: Question about ratings
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-06-14 19:28:01 UTC
> Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about
> how people rate them.
Rating a letterobx is very subjective, and everyone does it in a
slightly different manner. An 'easy' hike for me is 'hard' for
someone else. And even the rating system on Silent Doug's website is
open for argument. I might rate a box one thing while using the
exact same rating system, someone else might rate it something
different.
As a whole, rating other people's boxes is discouraged--it tends to
hurt feelings. Rating your own box is fine, but there's not a
standard and trying to create one is a futile effort. There will
never be a consensus for one, and even if there was, there's no way
to ensure people conform to them. So my suggestion is make up your
own rating system and use it, but qualify it with a description of
how your rating system works.
Carpe diem!
-- Ryan
> how people rate them.
Rating a letterobx is very subjective, and everyone does it in a
slightly different manner. An 'easy' hike for me is 'hard' for
someone else. And even the rating system on Silent Doug's website is
open for argument. I might rate a box one thing while using the
exact same rating system, someone else might rate it something
different.
As a whole, rating other people's boxes is discouraged--it tends to
hurt feelings. Rating your own box is fine, but there's not a
standard and trying to create one is a futile effort. There will
never be a consensus for one, and even if there was, there's no way
to ensure people conform to them. So my suggestion is make up your
own rating system and use it, but qualify it with a description of
how your rating system works.
Carpe diem!
-- Ryan
Re: [LbNA] Question about ratings
From: Silent Doug (silentdoug@letterboxing.info) |
Date: 2004-06-14 20:28:50 UTC-04:00
At 01:55 PM 6/14/2004, you wrote:
>Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about how
>people rate them. SilentDoug has a great rating system on his
>website (http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/key.php) based on the
>rating system used by Geocachers. I think its smart for letterboxers
>to adopt a standard rating system.
>
>My questions though ... because this was developed for Geocaching,
>consideration regarding the difficulty of clues isn't considered.
>Should we consider the "difficulty" rating (which talks more about
>how the hard the box is to find) to include clues, or have a third
>rating for the obscurity of clues?
Yes, good idea -- when I get back from my current travels, I'll modify the
ratings to make the "difficulty" component apply more directly to the
clues, which was the intention when I first put it together. I do see now
that it could be clearer, so I'll be happy to adjust it accordingly.
Doug
|-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
Silent Doug, P38 F325 E09 X64
silentdoug@letterboxing.info
http://www.letterboxing.info
>Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about how
>people rate them. SilentDoug has a great rating system on his
>website (http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/key.php) based on the
>rating system used by Geocachers. I think its smart for letterboxers
>to adopt a standard rating system.
>
>My questions though ... because this was developed for Geocaching,
>consideration regarding the difficulty of clues isn't considered.
>Should we consider the "difficulty" rating (which talks more about
>how the hard the box is to find) to include clues, or have a third
>rating for the obscurity of clues?
Yes, good idea -- when I get back from my current travels, I'll modify the
ratings to make the "difficulty" component apply more directly to the
clues, which was the intention when I first put it together. I do see now
that it could be clearer, so I'll be happy to adjust it accordingly.
Doug
|-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-#-|
Silent Doug, P38 F325 E09 X64
silentdoug@letterboxing.info
http://www.letterboxing.info
Re: Question about ratings
From: cpascott8 (cpascott8@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 12:53:19 UTC
Although I understand your points about rating other people's boxes
and general opinion, I hold that it would be nice to have a common
standard. Of course opinions will vary, but if, say, all the
letterboxes listed on the LbNA website had a rating that subscribed
to a standard such as the modified GeoCache system I think that would
help those looking for certain types of adventures.
I've seen another rating system out there (I think it's on the WOL
board) that uses a number of factors. In my opinion, while this
rating system attempts to explain a number of variables, it's too
long and not easily decipherable.
Not to pick on WOL, which is yet another great resource for
letterboxers, I notice that the site does allow others to rate the
letterboxes they find. We can certainly debate whether such a
feature is a good idea or not.
Anyway, perhaps a standard across all websites listing letterboxes
isn't necessary, but if the major ones (LbNA mostly, and perhaps WOL)
instituted a "standard" system, I think that would be valuable.
Just my 2 worth, anyway.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> > Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about
> > how people rate them.
>
> Rating a letterobx is very subjective, and everyone does it in a
> slightly different manner. An 'easy' hike for me is 'hard' for
> someone else. And even the rating system on Silent Doug's website
is
> open for argument. I might rate a box one thing while using the
> exact same rating system, someone else might rate it something
> different.
>
> As a whole, rating other people's boxes is discouraged--it tends to
> hurt feelings. Rating your own box is fine, but there's not a
> standard and trying to create one is a futile effort. There will
> never be a consensus for one, and even if there was, there's no way
> to ensure people conform to them. So my suggestion is make up your
> own rating system and use it, but qualify it with a description of
> how your rating system works.
>
> Carpe diem!
>
> -- Ryan
and general opinion, I hold that it would be nice to have a common
standard. Of course opinions will vary, but if, say, all the
letterboxes listed on the LbNA website had a rating that subscribed
to a standard such as the modified GeoCache system I think that would
help those looking for certain types of adventures.
I've seen another rating system out there (I think it's on the WOL
board) that uses a number of factors. In my opinion, while this
rating system attempts to explain a number of variables, it's too
long and not easily decipherable.
Not to pick on WOL, which is yet another great resource for
letterboxers, I notice that the site does allow others to rate the
letterboxes they find. We can certainly debate whether such a
feature is a good idea or not.
Anyway, perhaps a standard across all websites listing letterboxes
isn't necessary, but if the major ones (LbNA mostly, and perhaps WOL)
instituted a "standard" system, I think that would be valuable.
Just my 2 worth, anyway.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "rscarpen"
wrote:
> > Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about
> > how people rate them.
>
> Rating a letterobx is very subjective, and everyone does it in a
> slightly different manner. An 'easy' hike for me is 'hard' for
> someone else. And even the rating system on Silent Doug's website
is
> open for argument. I might rate a box one thing while using the
> exact same rating system, someone else might rate it something
> different.
>
> As a whole, rating other people's boxes is discouraged--it tends to
> hurt feelings. Rating your own box is fine, but there's not a
> standard and trying to create one is a futile effort. There will
> never be a consensus for one, and even if there was, there's no way
> to ensure people conform to them. So my suggestion is make up your
> own rating system and use it, but qualify it with a description of
> how your rating system works.
>
> Carpe diem!
>
> -- Ryan
Re: Question about ratings
From: trishkri (trishkri@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 13:36:35 UTC
I think that geocaching is a great sport but it is a different sport
than letterboxing. One of the things that I like best about
letterboxing is the creativity and individuality that letterboxing
offers. I think that it should be up to the placer to decide if
they want to rate their box, have their box tracked, etc. Many
boxes have an element of mystery about them that adding a rating
system would destroy. I don't want to have to hold my clues to any
standard but my own.
By reading the clues carefully, doing research on the area or asking
local boxers you can usually gather enough information to form your
own opinion on the difficulty of the box.
IMO, let geocaching be geocaching where you can accurately detail
and track everything related to it and let letterboxing remain the
way it is. There is plenty of room out there for two different, but
related sports.
Trish
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott8"
wrote:
Although I understand your points about rating other people's boxes
and general opinion, I hold that it would be nice to have a common
standard. Of course opinions will vary, but if, say, all the
letterboxes listed on the LbNA website had a rating that subscribed
to a standard such as the modified GeoCache system I think that
would help those looking for certain types of adventures.
Anyway, perhaps a standard across all websites listing letterboxes
isn't necessary, but if the major ones (LbNA mostly, and perhaps
WOL) instituted a "standard" system, I think that would be valuable.
Just my 2 worth, anyway.
than letterboxing. One of the things that I like best about
letterboxing is the creativity and individuality that letterboxing
offers. I think that it should be up to the placer to decide if
they want to rate their box, have their box tracked, etc. Many
boxes have an element of mystery about them that adding a rating
system would destroy. I don't want to have to hold my clues to any
standard but my own.
By reading the clues carefully, doing research on the area or asking
local boxers you can usually gather enough information to form your
own opinion on the difficulty of the box.
IMO, let geocaching be geocaching where you can accurately detail
and track everything related to it and let letterboxing remain the
way it is. There is plenty of room out there for two different, but
related sports.
Trish
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott8"
wrote:
Although I understand your points about rating other people's boxes
and general opinion, I hold that it would be nice to have a common
standard. Of course opinions will vary, but if, say, all the
letterboxes listed on the LbNA website had a rating that subscribed
to a standard such as the modified GeoCache system I think that
would help those looking for certain types of adventures.
Anyway, perhaps a standard across all websites listing letterboxes
isn't necessary, but if the major ones (LbNA mostly, and perhaps
WOL) instituted a "standard" system, I think that would be valuable.
Just my 2 worth, anyway.
Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: kcdaniels (kcdaniels@bankofakron.net) |
Date: 2004-06-15 10:10:19 UTC-04:00
I have to laugh, because yesterday I went letterboxing with two families
(one of them first timers!!!) and the trail was listed as moderate.
Well...it may have been moderate for the placer, but it was a KILLER for
us! Another friend was supposed to come and she didn't, and I'm really glad
because I don't think she would have made it. It was a beautiful area and
we were all glad we made the trip, but the 11 yo's comment at the end was
telling: "Mom, just be glad we all survived..."" ;o)
Shalom,
Kaycee
on 6/14/04 3:28 PM, rscarpen at RiskyNil@pocketmail.com wrote:
Rating a letterobx is very subjective, and everyone does it in a
slightly different manner. An 'easy' hike for me is 'hard' for
someone else. And even the rating system on Silent Doug's website is
open for argument. I might rate a box one thing while using the
exact same rating system, someone else might rate it something
different.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
(one of them first timers!!!) and the trail was listed as moderate.
Well...it may have been moderate for the placer, but it was a KILLER for
us! Another friend was supposed to come and she didn't, and I'm really glad
because I don't think she would have made it. It was a beautiful area and
we were all glad we made the trip, but the 11 yo's comment at the end was
telling: "Mom, just be glad we all survived..."" ;o)
Shalom,
Kaycee
on 6/14/04 3:28 PM, rscarpen at RiskyNil@pocketmail.com wrote:
Rating a letterobx is very subjective, and everyone does it in a
slightly different manner. An 'easy' hike for me is 'hard' for
someone else. And even the rating system on Silent Doug's website is
open for argument. I might rate a box one thing while using the
exact same rating system, someone else might rate it something
different.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Question about ratings
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 15:07:43 UTC
> I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
-- Ryan
It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
-- Ryan
RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 08:31:52 UTC-07:00
I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't think it's
futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or even the
world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you don't
want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a complete
waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way. That's what
makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in place
that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A system that
allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is letterbox
specific.
Just my thoughts.
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Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
"A world of difference awaits.........."
http://www.lbworld.org
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You're only young once; you can be immature f'ever.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@pocketmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
>
> It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
>
> -- Ryan
futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or even the
world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you don't
want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a complete
waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way. That's what
makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in place
that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A system that
allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is letterbox
specific.
Just my thoughts.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------
Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
"A world of difference awaits.........."
http://www.lbworld.org
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------
You're only young once; you can be immature f'ever.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@pocketmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
>
> It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
>
> -- Ryan
[LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: SpringChick (springchick@letterbox-mi.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 17:24:29 UTC
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Ryan that attempting to get all
of the boxes listed on the LbNA or WOL or any other site to conform
to a certain rating system is futile. For one thing, it is asking
everyone to agree and with something subjective, and with this many
people, there is not ever going to be agreement. Everyone has a
different scale they use to rate both terrain and clues. How you
assess these things is dependent on so many factors -- things that
each of use views differently based on preference, physical
condition, mental capability, interest, past experience and time.
Not to mention the fact that there are a great many people
participating in this hobby who do not want to rate their boxes.
Not that they are intentionally trying to make it difficult for a
seeker, but in many cases, the unknown is part of the mystery of a
box. Yes, perhaps a universal rating system would make it easier
for seekers, but there are many who do not see "making it easy to
find the box" as an integral part of this game. Seems to me like
just another attempt to make it all black and white -- and to me
that equates with boring and unexciting.
Rate your boxes if you wish, but it is a personal decision -- don't
try to spread it across the group as a whole or even standardize it
for those who do use some sort of a rating system. If you are the
type of person who needs to know what you are in for before you set
out on a letterbox hunt -- there are boxes for you, where everything
is spelled out. Granted there are many boxes that are not, but not
all boxes are for all people -- you need to choose the ones that are
comfortable for you. And if it is such a huge concern that this
information is not available for all boxes, maybe this is the wrong
hobby, as the "unknown" is in my mind a material part of
letterboxing.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus"
wrote:
> I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't think
it's
> futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or
even the
> world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you
don't
> want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a
complete
> waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way.
That's what
> makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in
place
> that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A system
that
> allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
> possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is
letterbox
> specific.
>
> Just my thoughts.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ------------------
> Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
> World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
> "A world of difference awaits.........."
> http://www.lbworld.org
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ------------------
> You're only young once; you can be immature f'ever.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ------------------
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@p...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> >
> >
> > > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
> >
> > It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
> >
> > -- Ryan
of the boxes listed on the LbNA or WOL or any other site to conform
to a certain rating system is futile. For one thing, it is asking
everyone to agree and with something subjective, and with this many
people, there is not ever going to be agreement. Everyone has a
different scale they use to rate both terrain and clues. How you
assess these things is dependent on so many factors -- things that
each of use views differently based on preference, physical
condition, mental capability, interest, past experience and time.
Not to mention the fact that there are a great many people
participating in this hobby who do not want to rate their boxes.
Not that they are intentionally trying to make it difficult for a
seeker, but in many cases, the unknown is part of the mystery of a
box. Yes, perhaps a universal rating system would make it easier
for seekers, but there are many who do not see "making it easy to
find the box" as an integral part of this game. Seems to me like
just another attempt to make it all black and white -- and to me
that equates with boring and unexciting.
Rate your boxes if you wish, but it is a personal decision -- don't
try to spread it across the group as a whole or even standardize it
for those who do use some sort of a rating system. If you are the
type of person who needs to know what you are in for before you set
out on a letterbox hunt -- there are boxes for you, where everything
is spelled out. Granted there are many boxes that are not, but not
all boxes are for all people -- you need to choose the ones that are
comfortable for you. And if it is such a huge concern that this
information is not available for all boxes, maybe this is the wrong
hobby, as the "unknown" is in my mind a material part of
letterboxing.
SpringChick
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus"
wrote:
> I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't think
it's
> futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or
even the
> world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you
don't
> want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a
complete
> waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way.
That's what
> makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in
place
> that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A system
that
> allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
> possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is
letterbox
> specific.
>
> Just my thoughts.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ------------------
> Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
> World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
> "A world of difference awaits.........."
> http://www.lbworld.org
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ------------------
> You're only young once; you can be immature f'ever.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
> ------------------
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@p...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> >
> >
> > > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
> >
> > It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
> >
> > -- Ryan
[LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: bcostley (bobbyeubanks@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 18:01:31 UTC
Count me on the SpringChick/Ryan side.
In addition, I think that for folks wanting to rate their own
boxes/hikes, a short descriptive paragraph will always be more
accurate and useful than a list of letters and numbers. Which do you
prefer?
M4 T4-5 L3 A4 C3 D2 H1 S1 P2 E2
or
Box is at the top of a mountain. Trail is unpaved, rough in places,
and gains 3000 feet of elevation in 3 miles.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "SpringChick"
wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Ryan that attempting to get
all
> of the boxes listed on the LbNA or WOL or any other site to
conform
> to a certain rating system is futile. For one thing, it is asking
> everyone to agree and with something subjective, and with this
many
> people, there is not ever going to be agreement. Everyone has a
> different scale they use to rate both terrain and clues. How you
> assess these things is dependent on so many factors -- things that
> each of use views differently based on preference, physical
> condition, mental capability, interest, past experience and time.
>
> Not to mention the fact that there are a great many people
> participating in this hobby who do not want to rate their boxes.
> Not that they are intentionally trying to make it difficult for a
> seeker, but in many cases, the unknown is part of the mystery of a
> box. Yes, perhaps a universal rating system would make it easier
> for seekers, but there are many who do not see "making it easy to
> find the box" as an integral part of this game. Seems to me like
> just another attempt to make it all black and white -- and to me
> that equates with boring and unexciting.
>
> Rate your boxes if you wish, but it is a personal decision --
don't
> try to spread it across the group as a whole or even standardize
it
> for those who do use some sort of a rating system. If you are the
> type of person who needs to know what you are in for before you
set
> out on a letterbox hunt -- there are boxes for you, where
everything
> is spelled out. Granted there are many boxes that are not, but
not
> all boxes are for all people -- you need to choose the ones that
are
> comfortable for you. And if it is such a huge concern that this
> information is not available for all boxes, maybe this is the
wrong
> hobby, as the "unknown" is in my mind a material part of
> letterboxing.
>
> SpringChick
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus"
> wrote:
> > I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't
think
> it's
> > futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or
> even the
> > world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you
> don't
> > want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a
> complete
> > waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way.
> That's what
> > makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in
> place
> > that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A
system
> that
> > allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
> > possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is
> letterbox
> > specific.
> >
> > Just my thoughts.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----
> > ------------------
> > Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
> > World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
> > "A world of difference awaits.........."
> > http://www.lbworld.org
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----
> > ------------------
> > You're only young once; you can be immature f'ever.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----
> > ------------------
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@p...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> > >
> > >
> > > > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
> > >
> > > It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
> > >
> > > -- Ryan
In addition, I think that for folks wanting to rate their own
boxes/hikes, a short descriptive paragraph will always be more
accurate and useful than a list of letters and numbers. Which do you
prefer?
M4 T4-5 L3 A4 C3 D2 H1 S1 P2 E2
or
Box is at the top of a mountain. Trail is unpaved, rough in places,
and gains 3000 feet of elevation in 3 miles.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "SpringChick"
> I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Ryan that attempting to get
all
> of the boxes listed on the LbNA or WOL or any other site to
conform
> to a certain rating system is futile. For one thing, it is asking
> everyone to agree and with something subjective, and with this
many
> people, there is not ever going to be agreement. Everyone has a
> different scale they use to rate both terrain and clues. How you
> assess these things is dependent on so many factors -- things that
> each of use views differently based on preference, physical
> condition, mental capability, interest, past experience and time.
>
> Not to mention the fact that there are a great many people
> participating in this hobby who do not want to rate their boxes.
> Not that they are intentionally trying to make it difficult for a
> seeker, but in many cases, the unknown is part of the mystery of a
> box. Yes, perhaps a universal rating system would make it easier
> for seekers, but there are many who do not see "making it easy to
> find the box" as an integral part of this game. Seems to me like
> just another attempt to make it all black and white -- and to me
> that equates with boring and unexciting.
>
> Rate your boxes if you wish, but it is a personal decision --
don't
> try to spread it across the group as a whole or even standardize
it
> for those who do use some sort of a rating system. If you are the
> type of person who needs to know what you are in for before you
set
> out on a letterbox hunt -- there are boxes for you, where
everything
> is spelled out. Granted there are many boxes that are not, but
not
> all boxes are for all people -- you need to choose the ones that
are
> comfortable for you. And if it is such a huge concern that this
> information is not available for all boxes, maybe this is the
wrong
> hobby, as the "unknown" is in my mind a material part of
> letterboxing.
>
> SpringChick
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Rayvenhaus"
> wrote:
> > I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't
think
> it's
> > futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or
> even the
> > world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you
> don't
> > want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a
> complete
> > waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way.
> That's what
> > makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in
> place
> > that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A
system
> that
> > allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
> > possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is
> letterbox
> > specific.
> >
> > Just my thoughts.
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> -----
> > ------------------
> > Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
> > World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
> > "A world of difference awaits.........."
> > http://www.lbworld.org
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> -----
> > ------------------
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> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> -----
> > ------------------
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@p...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> > > To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> > >
> > >
> > > > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
> > >
> > > It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
> > >
> > > -- Ryan
[LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: dvn2rckr (dvn2rckr@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 19:16:52 UTC
I wonder if James Perrott of Chagford included letterboxing ratings
in his clues back in '54?
dvn2r ckr
in his clues back in '54?
dvn2r ckr
Re: Question about ratings
From: catbead1 (libby@twcny.rr.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 20:04:03 UTC
An innocent question asked.
Adopting a universal rating system is a little like hoping everyone in
this country will all join the same political party. It's just not
going to happen.
Each person knows what they want (and what is right) for their box.
Some will agree to a rating system and will use it, some will recoil
from it, and some will be between the two.
My 2
catbead
Adopting a universal rating system is a little like hoping everyone in
this country will all join the same political party. It's just not
going to happen.
Each person knows what they want (and what is right) for their box.
Some will agree to a rating system and will use it, some will recoil
from it, and some will be between the two.
My 2
catbead
Re: Question about ratings
From: Mark Pepe (mjpepe1@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-06-15 20:11:14 UTC
It's also like hoping everyone will rehide our boxes well! Maybe once
we accomplish that, we can work on the ratings system!! ;-)
Have fun and just get out there & box!!! [And hide those treasures
well!]
Mark Pepe
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "catbead1" wrote:
> Adopting a universal rating system is a little like hoping everyone
in
> this country will all join the same political party. It's just not
> going to happen.
we accomplish that, we can work on the ratings system!! ;-)
Have fun and just get out there & box!!! [And hide those treasures
well!]
Mark Pepe
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "catbead1"
> Adopting a universal rating system is a little like hoping everyone
in
> this country will all join the same political party. It's just not
> going to happen.
RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 14:08:00 UTC-07:00
Couldn't have said it better myself, thanks catbead!!!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: catbead1 [mailto:libby@twcny.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:04 PM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> An innocent question asked.
>
> Adopting a universal rating system is a little like hoping
> everyone in this country will all join the same political
> party. It's just not going to happen.
>
> Each person knows what they want (and what is right) for their box.
> Some will agree to a rating system and will use it, some will
> recoil from it, and some will be between the two.
>
> My 2
>
> catbead
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: catbead1 [mailto:libby@twcny.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 1:04 PM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> An innocent question asked.
>
> Adopting a universal rating system is a little like hoping
> everyone in this country will all join the same political
> party. It's just not going to happen.
>
> Each person knows what they want (and what is right) for their box.
> Some will agree to a rating system and will use it, some will
> recoil from it, and some will be between the two.
>
> My 2
>
> catbead
>
RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 14:09:59 UTC-07:00
(grin)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: bcostley [mailto:bobbyeubanks@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:02 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> Count me on the SpringChick/Ryan side.
>
> In addition, I think that for folks wanting to rate their own
> boxes/hikes, a short descriptive paragraph will always be more
> accurate and useful than a list of letters and numbers. Which do you
> prefer?
>
> M4 T4-5 L3 A4 C3 D2 H1 S1 P2 E2
>
> or
>
> Box is at the top of a mountain. Trail is unpaved, rough in places,
> and gains 3000 feet of elevation in 3 miles.
>
RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 14:13:49 UTC-07:00
I guess I failed in explaining myself. I'm not saying that everyone
needs to use it, or must use it, I'm just saying that there is a need
for one that can be used. If you choose to use if for your letterbox.
I'm not advocating that anyone rate some one else's letterbox, not at
all.
I guess that it's just the anal side of me that wishes there was a
standard, that, if you choose to use it, then you could. And not this
hodge-podge mismatch we have now. That's all.
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needs to use it, or must use it, I'm just saying that there is a need
for one that can be used. If you choose to use if for your letterbox.
I'm not advocating that anyone rate some one else's letterbox, not at
all.
I guess that it's just the anal side of me that wishes there was a
standard, that, if you choose to use it, then you could. And not this
hodge-podge mismatch we have now. That's all.
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World of Letterboxing Community - Carpe Arcanum Arca!
"A world of difference awaits.........."
http://www.lbworld.org
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: (StDebb@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-06-15 19:51:33 UTC-04:00
Even if there were a standard rating system, Ryan might rate a particular
hike a 3 in difficulty, where it'd actually be a 9 for poor old asthmatic me!
So I don't think it'd solve the inconsistancies even if we all used the same
scale.
DebBee
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hike a 3 in difficulty, where it'd actually be a 9 for poor old asthmatic me!
So I don't think it'd solve the inconsistancies even if we all used the same
scale.
DebBee
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-06-15 23:12:03 UTC-04:00
I agree. Geocaching is much more digital in style - one expects 100% accuracy and results. Letterboxing is analog - one may well get imperfect results, but the Quest is the thing. There's a measure of uncertainty that just doesn't appeal to many folks. But it's never a foregone conclusion with broad pointing arrows. And, as Indiana Jones said, "X doesn't always mark the spot.".
Lots of Rules in Geocaching. It's fun on a different level.
My tuppence,
Dave
The von der Insels
P10 F194 X93 H5 E1
----- Original Message -----
From: trishkri
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
I think that geocaching is a great sport but it is a different sport
than letterboxing. One of the things that I like best about
letterboxing is the creativity and individuality that letterboxing
offers. I think that it should be up to the placer to decide if
they want to rate their box, have their box tracked, etc. Many
boxes have an element of mystery about them that adding a rating
system would destroy. I don't want to have to hold my clues to any
standard but my own.
By reading the clues carefully, doing research on the area or asking
local boxers you can usually gather enough information to form your
own opinion on the difficulty of the box.
IMO, let geocaching be geocaching where you can accurately detail
and track everything related to it and let letterboxing remain the
way it is. There is plenty of room out there for two different, but
related sports.
Trish
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott8"
wrote:
Although I understand your points about rating other people's boxes
and general opinion, I hold that it would be nice to have a common
standard. Of course opinions will vary, but if, say, all the
letterboxes listed on the LbNA website had a rating that subscribed
to a standard such as the modified GeoCache system I think that
would help those looking for certain types of adventures.
Anyway, perhaps a standard across all websites listing letterboxes
isn't necessary, but if the major ones (LbNA mostly, and perhaps
WOL) instituted a "standard" system, I think that would be valuable.
Just my 2 worth, anyway.
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Lots of Rules in Geocaching. It's fun on a different level.
My tuppence,
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----- Original Message -----
From: trishkri
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
I think that geocaching is a great sport but it is a different sport
than letterboxing. One of the things that I like best about
letterboxing is the creativity and individuality that letterboxing
offers. I think that it should be up to the placer to decide if
they want to rate their box, have their box tracked, etc. Many
boxes have an element of mystery about them that adding a rating
system would destroy. I don't want to have to hold my clues to any
standard but my own.
By reading the clues carefully, doing research on the area or asking
local boxers you can usually gather enough information to form your
own opinion on the difficulty of the box.
IMO, let geocaching be geocaching where you can accurately detail
and track everything related to it and let letterboxing remain the
way it is. There is plenty of room out there for two different, but
related sports.
Trish
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "cpascott8"
wrote:
Although I understand your points about rating other people's boxes
and general opinion, I hold that it would be nice to have a common
standard. Of course opinions will vary, but if, say, all the
letterboxes listed on the LbNA website had a rating that subscribed
to a standard such as the modified GeoCache system I think that
would help those looking for certain types of adventures.
Anyway, perhaps a standard across all websites listing letterboxes
isn't necessary, but if the major ones (LbNA mostly, and perhaps
WOL) instituted a "standard" system, I think that would be valuable.
Just my 2 worth, anyway.
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-06-15 23:20:31 UTC-04:00
There are some rating systems folks use. A difficulty is the wide variety of terrain-types in North America. I've hiked a lot of them (Thanks, Uncle Sam!) and I'm here to tell you that a rocky climb of 300 feet at 45 degrees lift in the Rockies is significantly different from a rocky climb of 300 feet at 45 degrees lift in the Ozarks or Appalachians. A two mile hike in the swamps is very different in Georgia than in New Jersey or Missouri.
Lots of subjective vectors, like flora and fauna and effects of altitude and humidity and season.
Try, if it strikes your fancy, but I shouldn't rely on it.
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rayvenhaus
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't think it's
futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or even the
world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you don't
want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a complete
waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way. That's what
makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in place
that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A system that
allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is letterbox
specific.
Just my thoughts.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@pocketmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
>
> It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
>
> -- Ryan
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Lots of subjective vectors, like flora and fauna and effects of altitude and humidity and season.
Try, if it strikes your fancy, but I shouldn't rely on it.
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rayvenhaus
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
I'm sorry Ryan, I disagree with you on this aspect. I don't think it's
futile at all. I think that Letterboxers in North America, or even the
world over can come together on a consensus. Just because you don't
want to rate your boxes and think that a rating system is a complete
waste of time, does not mean that others feel the same way. That's what
makes this hobby so wonderful. I think a system needs to be in place
that CAN be used, not that's forced down anyone's throat. A system that
allows for the simplest of use, yet covers as broad a spectrum as
possible. One that is updated frequently, as needed, and is letterbox
specific.
Just my thoughts.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rscarpen [mailto:RiskyNil@pocketmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:08 AM
> To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
>
>
> > I hold that it would be nice to have a common standard.
>
> It's a futile effort, what whatever. *shrug*
>
> -- Ryan
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[LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge (lady_prisspott@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 14:47:14 UTC
Thank You Mr Costly, I don't have room on my delicate bejewled hands
for a StarTrek secret decoder ring to figure out what the heck the
rating is.
for a StarTrek secret decoder ring to figure out what the heck the
rating is.
Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Team Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 12:37:52 UTC-07:00
Just between us (And the rest of the entire list (grin)), Lady Hydrangea, it doesn't take a Star Trek Secret Decoder
ring. (Never was such a thing anyway, thought there were a ton of other secret decoder rings.) If you'd taken a
moment to look at the site that generates that string of letters and numbers, you'd see it also has a decoder built
in. Given that fact, it's a lot easier to decipher than the PFX sig that most use.
Course, I've always thought that a number system, ranging from 1 to 5, 1 being the easiest and 5 being the hardest, an
easy way to rate something. You know, just like when you are in the hospital and the nurse asks you to rate your pain
level? Or the National Pediatric system which uses faces and numbers so that children can indicate their pain level.
I've also thought that a system that helped take into effect the relative skill level of the person answering the
questionnaire was a bit less subjective.
But that's just my opinion, not meant to upset or antagonize anyone.
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ring. (Never was such a thing anyway, thought there were a ton of other secret decoder rings.) If you'd taken a
moment to look at the site that generates that string of letters and numbers, you'd see it also has a decoder built
in. Given that fact, it's a lot easier to decipher than the PFX sig that most use.
Course, I've always thought that a number system, ranging from 1 to 5, 1 being the easiest and 5 being the hardest, an
easy way to rate something. You know, just like when you are in the hospital and the nurse asks you to rate your pain
level? Or the National Pediatric system which uses faces and numbers so that children can indicate their pain level.
I've also thought that a system that helped take into effect the relative skill level of the person answering the
questionnaire was a bit less subjective.
But that's just my opinion, not meant to upset or antagonize anyone.
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"A world of difference awaits you."
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[LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge (lady_prisspott@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 20:15:18 UTC
Dearest Mr. Haus,
Her Ladyship has taken her precious time to evaluate the rating
system you propose and in fact it does not, as we facetiously
stated, require a secret decoder ring it does however use a decoder
that requires just a tad more hardware (which can't even be made
into a smart accessory or jewelry). Her Ladyship thought this
activity was about creative self-expression as well as enjoying
Mother Nature's many blessings. If this is indeed the case then dear
Mr. Costly has made our point for us. Why must we use a string of
cold unfriendly numbers when we could apply our thinking caps and
exercise our verbal skills and type an easily understood description
of the location, which any English speaker can understand? Why must
we continually replace the written word with numbers and acronyms
and emoticons? Have we all become so illiterate that we're reduced
to pointing and numbers and using pictures and guttural sounds to
communicate? Alas, every teenager her Ladyship has met seems to
communicate in groans and grunts and eructation so I suppose you may
be onto something. Her Ladyship however shall continue to poise her
jeweled Monblanc fountain pen in her graceful, delicate petit main
over her gilt edged Crane 20lb. rag paper stationary when rating her
letterbox locations.
Her Ladyship has taken her precious time to evaluate the rating
system you propose and in fact it does not, as we facetiously
stated, require a secret decoder ring it does however use a decoder
that requires just a tad more hardware (which can't even be made
into a smart accessory or jewelry). Her Ladyship thought this
activity was about creative self-expression as well as enjoying
Mother Nature's many blessings. If this is indeed the case then dear
Mr. Costly has made our point for us. Why must we use a string of
cold unfriendly numbers when we could apply our thinking caps and
exercise our verbal skills and type an easily understood description
of the location, which any English speaker can understand? Why must
we continually replace the written word with numbers and acronyms
and emoticons? Have we all become so illiterate that we're reduced
to pointing and numbers and using pictures and guttural sounds to
communicate? Alas, every teenager her Ladyship has met seems to
communicate in groans and grunts and eructation so I suppose you may
be onto something. Her Ladyship however shall continue to poise her
jeweled Monblanc fountain pen in her graceful, delicate petit main
over her gilt edged Crane 20lb. rag paper stationary when rating her
letterbox locations.
Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Team Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 13:58:06 UTC-07:00
My dear Lady Hedge,
There seems to be a miscommunication here and I do apologize for that. You may, as I have always stated and
always will, choose to use what you will. There are many ways of rating ones letterboxes and, since it is, after all,
your letterbox, I would assume nothing other than you be allowed the freedom to do with what you will where tools are
concerned.
Should you choose to carve your stamps by flashlight using a screwdriver, that is, after all, your prerogative.
Should you choose to commission a individual, professionally made stamp from your artwork, for each letterbox, that
is, after all, your prerogative. Should you choose to only hide microboxes, that is, after all, your prerogative.
I have always said that5 there needs to be guidelines within which each person is allowed the freedom to choose
what fits them best. The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into. (NO innuendo meant in that statement about anyone at
all). That's all I've ever said and that's all I will ever say. Never will anyone hear me say that my way is the only
way, unless of course, they are listening to me talking to my son, who's 12 going on 18 and testing the boundaries of
his freedoms (soft smiles).
I am thrilled that you shall continue to use the format for rating your letterboxes that you feel most
comfortable with. Perhaps one can stop being prissy about things and allow others the freedom to do as they choose
and to converse about it without a sharp retort from the LbNA's own Miss Manners. One can always hope.
I wish you well,
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P.S. Please do me a favor and don't rate my spelling ability or lack of knowledge of grammar rules and such. As a
Stuttering Dyslexic who can only type with 4 fingers on the keyboard, while staring at the keyboard, I'm just thrilled
that it's readable by the majority of the people that see it. (grin)
There seems to be a miscommunication here and I do apologize for that. You may, as I have always stated and
always will, choose to use what you will. There are many ways of rating ones letterboxes and, since it is, after all,
your letterbox, I would assume nothing other than you be allowed the freedom to do with what you will where tools are
concerned.
Should you choose to carve your stamps by flashlight using a screwdriver, that is, after all, your prerogative.
Should you choose to commission a individual, professionally made stamp from your artwork, for each letterbox, that
is, after all, your prerogative. Should you choose to only hide microboxes, that is, after all, your prerogative.
I have always said that5 there needs to be guidelines within which each person is allowed the freedom to choose
what fits them best. The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into. (NO innuendo meant in that statement about anyone at
all). That's all I've ever said and that's all I will ever say. Never will anyone hear me say that my way is the only
way, unless of course, they are listening to me talking to my son, who's 12 going on 18 and testing the boundaries of
his freedoms (soft smiles).
I am thrilled that you shall continue to use the format for rating your letterboxes that you feel most
comfortable with. Perhaps one can stop being prissy about things and allow others the freedom to do as they choose
and to converse about it without a sharp retort from the LbNA's own Miss Manners. One can always hope.
I wish you well,
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Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
The World of Letterboxing Community
http://www.lbworld.org - Carpe Arcanum Arco
"A world of difference awaits you."
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P.S. Please do me a favor and don't rate my spelling ability or lack of knowledge of grammar rules and such. As a
Stuttering Dyslexic who can only type with 4 fingers on the keyboard, while staring at the keyboard, I'm just thrilled
that it's readable by the majority of the people that see it. (grin)
Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 15:29:06 UTC-07:00
"The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into."
Hey man, there ain't enough spandex in the world to cover my butt!! It's got it's own zip code!!!LOL!
Team Rayvenhaus wrote:
My dear Lady Hedge,
There seems to be a miscommunication here and I do apologize for that. You may, as I have always stated and
always will, choose to use what you will. There are many ways of rating ones letterboxes and, since it is, after all,
your letterbox, I would assume nothing other than you be allowed the freedom to do with what you will where tools are
concerned.
Should you choose to carve your stamps by flashlight using a screwdriver, that is, after all, your prerogative.
Should you choose to commission a individual, professionally made stamp from your artwork, for each letterbox, that
is, after all, your prerogative. Should you choose to only hide microboxes, that is, after all, your prerogative.
I have always said that5 there needs to be guidelines within which each person is allowed the freedom to choose
what fits them best. The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into. (NO innuendo meant in that statement about anyone at
all). That's all I've ever said and that's all I will ever say. Never will anyone hear me say that my way is the only
way, unless of course, they are listening to me talking to my son, who's 12 going on 18 and testing the boundaries of
his freedoms (soft smiles).
I am thrilled that you shall continue to use the format for rating your letterboxes that you feel most
comfortable with. Perhaps one can stop being prissy about things and allow others the freedom to do as they choose
and to converse about it without a sharp retort from the LbNA's own Miss Manners. One can always hope.
I wish you well,
----------------------------------------------------------------
Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
The World of Letterboxing Community
http://www.lbworld.org - Carpe Arcanum Arco
"A world of difference awaits you."
----------------------------------------------------------------
P.S. Please do me a favor and don't rate my spelling ability or lack of knowledge of grammar rules and such. As a
Stuttering Dyslexic who can only type with 4 fingers on the keyboard, while staring at the keyboard, I'm just thrilled
that it's readable by the majority of the people that see it. (grin)
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people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into."
Hey man, there ain't enough spandex in the world to cover my butt!! It's got it's own zip code!!!LOL!
Team Rayvenhaus
My dear Lady Hedge,
There seems to be a miscommunication here and I do apologize for that. You may, as I have always stated and
always will, choose to use what you will. There are many ways of rating ones letterboxes and, since it is, after all,
your letterbox, I would assume nothing other than you be allowed the freedom to do with what you will where tools are
concerned.
Should you choose to carve your stamps by flashlight using a screwdriver, that is, after all, your prerogative.
Should you choose to commission a individual, professionally made stamp from your artwork, for each letterbox, that
is, after all, your prerogative. Should you choose to only hide microboxes, that is, after all, your prerogative.
I have always said that5 there needs to be guidelines within which each person is allowed the freedom to choose
what fits them best. The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into. (NO innuendo meant in that statement about anyone at
all). That's all I've ever said and that's all I will ever say. Never will anyone hear me say that my way is the only
way, unless of course, they are listening to me talking to my son, who's 12 going on 18 and testing the boundaries of
his freedoms (soft smiles).
I am thrilled that you shall continue to use the format for rating your letterboxes that you feel most
comfortable with. Perhaps one can stop being prissy about things and allow others the freedom to do as they choose
and to converse about it without a sharp retort from the LbNA's own Miss Manners. One can always hope.
I wish you well,
----------------------------------------------------------------
Steve of Team Rayvenhaus
The World of Letterboxing Community
http://www.lbworld.org - Carpe Arcanum Arco
"A world of difference awaits you."
----------------------------------------------------------------
P.S. Please do me a favor and don't rate my spelling ability or lack of knowledge of grammar rules and such. As a
Stuttering Dyslexic who can only type with 4 fingers on the keyboard, while staring at the keyboard, I'm just thrilled
that it's readable by the majority of the people that see it. (grin)
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Team Rayvenhaus (rayvenhaus@myndworx.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 15:50:10 UTC-07:00
Thanks for injecting some levity there H&H, I really do appreciate that!!! (LOL!)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> "The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
> people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into."
>
>
>
> Hey man, there ain't enough spandex in the world to cover my butt!! It's got it's own zip code!!!LOL!
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"A world of difference awaits you."
----------------------------------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> "The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
> people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into."
>
>
>
> Hey man, there ain't enough spandex in the world to cover my butt!! It's got it's own zip code!!!LOL!
[LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge (lady_prisspott@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 23:05:07 UTC
Dearest Mr. Haus,
We intended no offense at all, perhaps we are indeed plagued by
miscommunication.
We cannot however let this statement stand; "The belief that one
size fits all only works with Spandex"
Spandex NEVER works and One-size-fits-all rarely does!
We intended no offense at all, perhaps we are indeed plagued by
miscommunication.
We cannot however let this statement stand; "The belief that one
size fits all only works with Spandex"
Spandex NEVER works and One-size-fits-all rarely does!
Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds (hikers_n_hounds@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-06-16 17:31:31 UTC-07:00
Nice to know I'm good for somethin'!
Team Rayvenhaus wrote:Thanks for injecting some levity there H&H, I really do appreciate that!!! (LOL!)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> "The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
> people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into."
>
>
>
> Hey man, there ain't enough spandex in the world to cover my butt!! It's got it's own zip code!!!LOL!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hikers_n_ Hounds
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:29:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
> "The belief that one size fits all only works with Spandex and certain other fabrics that some
> people should NOT be attempting to squeeze themselves into."
>
>
>
> Hey man, there ain't enough spandex in the world to cover my butt!! It's got it's own zip code!!!LOL!
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Re: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-06-16 23:12:28 UTC-04:00
Heh, heh. You said 'eructation'. Heh.
I give his rating system a 3.7A-,
but the overall writing gets a c9B2alpha.
Dave
The von der Insels
P10 F197 X93 H5 E1
----- Original Message -----
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
Dearest Mr. Haus,
Her Ladyship has taken her precious time to evaluate the rating
system you propose and in fact it does not, as we facetiously
stated, require a secret decoder ring it does however use a decoder
that requires just a tad more hardware (which can't even be made
into a smart accessory or jewelry). Her Ladyship thought this
activity was about creative self-expression as well as enjoying
Mother Nature's many blessings. If this is indeed the case then dear
Mr. Costly has made our point for us. Why must we use a string of
cold unfriendly numbers when we could apply our thinking caps and
exercise our verbal skills and type an easily understood description
of the location, which any English speaker can understand? Why must
we continually replace the written word with numbers and acronyms
and emoticons? Have we all become so illiterate that we're reduced
to pointing and numbers and using pictures and guttural sounds to
communicate? Alas, every teenager her Ladyship has met seems to
communicate in groans and grunts and eructation so I suppose you may
be onto something. Her Ladyship however shall continue to poise her
jeweled Monblanc fountain pen in her graceful, delicate petit main
over her gilt edged Crane 20lb. rag paper stationary when rating her
letterbox locations.
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I give his rating system a 3.7A-,
but the overall writing gets a c9B2alpha.
Dave
The von der Insels
P10 F197 X93 H5 E1
----- Original Message -----
From: Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Question about ratings
Dearest Mr. Haus,
Her Ladyship has taken her precious time to evaluate the rating
system you propose and in fact it does not, as we facetiously
stated, require a secret decoder ring it does however use a decoder
that requires just a tad more hardware (which can't even be made
into a smart accessory or jewelry). Her Ladyship thought this
activity was about creative self-expression as well as enjoying
Mother Nature's many blessings. If this is indeed the case then dear
Mr. Costly has made our point for us. Why must we use a string of
cold unfriendly numbers when we could apply our thinking caps and
exercise our verbal skills and type an easily understood description
of the location, which any English speaker can understand? Why must
we continually replace the written word with numbers and acronyms
and emoticons? Have we all become so illiterate that we're reduced
to pointing and numbers and using pictures and guttural sounds to
communicate? Alas, every teenager her Ladyship has met seems to
communicate in groans and grunts and eructation so I suppose you may
be onto something. Her Ladyship however shall continue to poise her
jeweled Monblanc fountain pen in her graceful, delicate petit main
over her gilt edged Crane 20lb. rag paper stationary when rating her
letterbox locations.
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Re: [LbNA] Question about ratings
From: Silent Doug (silentdoug@letterboxing.info) |
Date: 2004-06-25 09:41:14 UTC-04:00
At 01:55 PM 6/14/2004, you wrote:
>Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about how
>people rate them. SilentDoug has a great rating system on his
>website (http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/key.php) based on the
>rating system used by Geocachers.
FYI, I updated the text in the rating system to make it a bit clearer
regarding the difficulty of the clues.
http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/
As always, comments are welcome.
Doug
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>Although I haven't planted any letterboxes yet, I'm curious about how
>people rate them. SilentDoug has a great rating system on his
>website (http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/key.php) based on the
>rating system used by Geocachers.
FYI, I updated the text in the rating system to make it a bit clearer
regarding the difficulty of the clues.
http://www.letterboxing.info/rating/
As always, comments are welcome.
Doug
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